Polish Breeders Club

I'm going to head this commitee, If anybody else raises these beauties, jump on board

There are only 2 hatcheries that I know of, that handle these polish, Sand Hill is always sold out, and Ideal hatchery also sells out every year.  sooooo, I'm guessing someone must raise these!!!,  Let me know what you have. I've been raising these for quite a few years and probaly have the only outcross blood in the U.S.

Doug Kamer

i want to try breeding them. i just got so me babies that i was told were assorted bantams but look alot like white crested blacks. i had a pair but my cockeral died a week before christmas. i live in fla and i have 1 hen now and hopefully if these babies are then i will have more.

Doug,

  I too would like to be a part of this committee. I hope to order 25-50 BC White chicks and start my program from there.

  Jim

Hi Heather, baby black crested whites do not have black tops, they get that later. send me a pic of your birds!!!

dougkamer@hotmail.com

Anyone here on the board raising anything Black Crested??

i am having problems with my white crested blue pullets feathers around their eyes having buildup of food.  How do you guys prevent this. We are currently showing these girls.

Hey Doug, I'm interested in joining you in trying to get the BC Whites better.

As far as I know, only those 2 hatcheries have them, McKinney had some few years ago as well.

Be nice to work on those bearded as well, having any luck with that one you had at the fowlfest?

Karen

llamas10 at 07:39PM on Mar 29, 2010

i am having problems with my white crested blue pullets feathers around their eyes having buildup of food.  How do you guys prevent this. We are currently showing these girls.

Assuming that you are not feeding sticky foods such as pumpkin or watermelon, but only normal chicken feed, this is probably caused by the eyes watering from the irritation of feathers which brush the cornea.  Pluck these feathers periodically.  It will not affect their ability to show, indeed will improve their appearance.  The judges like to look under that big crest and see 2 eyes, not 2 squinted eyelids.

Karen Krieger at 09:32PM on Apr 08, 2010

Hey Doug, I'm interested in joining you in trying to get the BC Whites better.

As far as I know, only those 2 hatcheries have them, McKinney had some few years ago as well.

Be nice to work on those bearded as well, having any luck with that one you had at the fowlfest?

Karen

Hi Karen, Good to hear from you!!  as far as I know Sand Hill ended up with Mckinney's BC Whites, I sure would like to know where their large cochins ended up??

I've got an 09 roo if you want him, he's a brother to the pullet at Fowlfest,

let me know, I could bring him to the swap at Imlay City

ttyl Doug

kamerland at 09:14AM on Apr 11, 2010

Karen Krieger at 09:32PM on Apr 08, 2010

Hey Doug, I'm interested in joining you in trying to get the BC Whites better.

As far as I know, only those 2 hatcheries have them, McKinney had some few years ago as well.

Be nice to work on those bearded as well, having any luck with that one you had at the fowlfest?

Karen

Hi Karen, Good to hear from you!!  as far as I know Sand Hill ended up with Mckinney's BC Whites, I sure would like to know where their large cochins ended up??

I've got an 09 roo if you want him, he's a brother to the pullet at Fowlfest,

let me know, I could bring him to the swap at Imlay City

ttyl Doug

I have a decent BC White with small beard roo right now, have eggs that should be hatching out next week from him crossed to BC White and also back to a bearded silver, if he doesn't do much, I'll let you know.

By the way, any red houdans? and can I request no rain for the swaps this year?

-Karen

Ok, red houdan? This I would love to know about. My houdan are my favorites and I plan on working on red mottled (eventually, when I have room for more projects,sigh).

Sorry to get this off topic, I also wanted to say that I ended up with some very interesting black crested birds from that mixed pen I have. They are a splash mix but I haven't had the chance to look into what I might breed with them or what could be done with them if anything.

the red Houdans that Karen and I are talking about are actually red mottled, thes are not new, they were actually being bred and shown back in the 50's and 60's, but now are no more, another example of awesome birds that nobody kept working with,  your black crested birds look quite nice, definitely worth working with, I would love to see some of these  shown at the Indianapolis show in 2011

Yes, I knew that red mottled once existed, what I wanted to know was do they exist again. Is someone working on them?

becky3086 at 08:36AM on Apr 21, 2010

Yes, I knew that red mottled once existed, what I wanted to know was do they exist again. Is someone working on them?

As far as I know, nobody has them.  Doug and I have been toying with trying to recreate them. 

-Karen

I am always thinking about it and asking around to the people who are good with chicken genetics how they would go about recreating them. Right now though I still have a lot of work in getting my regular houdan looking like I think they should.

the biggest problem with the Houdan breed right now, is way too many outcrosses to WC black polish, too the point that the birds that exist today are way to polish like and nothing like what real houdans look like, people that are truly serious about breeding chickens, need to establish some sort of group that identifies bloodlines that are the most correct to the standard,  after this birds can be traded back and forth between breeders to maintain the correct type, thats the whole problem tho, not enuff people really care about what they are breeding,  when your trying to create a new color, it's really hard to maintain the correct type and still end up with the color you want, example, the red mottled houdans were created by crossing rhode Island reds in a mottled  houdan line, Now I'm trying to work from a different bloodline , using a red polish that I aquired from Karen and am using a Mottled houdan hen, now I'm guessing these resulting birds are going to look more polish type than houdan, so I will probaly just end up calling them red mottled polish,and of course, Karen will end up with some of these this fall, LOL

Yes, me and a few others were looking through the 1905 standard of the Houdan, they are lovely. I did find one person who has some beautiful Houdan but couldn't not get them to contact me back.

I had read in an article that it wasn't just the RIR's that went into the red mottled houdan but also a gamebird that had a small crest.

I started my houdan breeding with the best roo I could get, nice dark bird, small wattles, no white tail feathers, great toes but not as nice mottling as I would like. I was told that I should try out crossing with black australorp because they were close genetically to the houdan but I have not decided whether I would try that yet.

I wouldn't use black australorp, those are just the Australian version of our orpingtons, Dorkings are more closely related due to the 5th toe, the thing is that there is enuff different lines here in the U.S. that you shouldn't have to outcross to a different breed, It just sets you back way too many years, I was told you should be able to get at least 10 years out of a pair of chickens before you need to cross a different line into them, I never heard of the gamehen, the info I'm using is from the society of preseravation, ther also was blue mottled houdans, and solid blacks

keep in touch

we should start a different post for the Houdans so more people can jump in here with their thoughts

I mentioned Dorkings to them and they told me they would not breed in Dorkings because besides the 5th toe they really did not have the same type as Houdan and were not as close genetically.

Yes, I had heard that there were blue mottled houdan at one time.

Here is where I read about the games in Houdan

http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGD/Houdan/HoudanCrev.html

"Despite his anger at the APA, Mr. Baerman liked the name American Reds and harbored the idea of developing an all red fowl that might be recognized by that name. An experiment along this line was the cross of Brown Red Games with Rhode Island Reds. Probably due to some tassel blood in the background of the games, some of the chicks had small crests. Mr. BaermanÕs mind was already on Houdans, so he quickly gave up on all red Reds and conceived the idea of a Red Houdan. He imagined a red fowl with white mottles rather than black and white spangles. The birds with the small crests were bred to both Mottled and White Houdans and their offspring selected. Later some Buff Laced Polish blood was infused. Red Houdans were first exhibited in 1922. They never made the APA standard, but had a considerable following for many years. Cyril Menges, young John Criner and Bruce Lentz all talked about them. I believe Bruce bred them for awhile. Red Houdans apparently died out in the late 1950Õs or early 1960Õs"